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We heard most of this on the marine radio yesterday while we were on our way
out to Farnsworth Banks (backside). Here's what we have found out.
Accident happened about 9AM. Apparently the two victims were free-divers from a
private boat that was anchored near the shoreline.
The Mr. C (San Pedro charter dive boat) had anchored up on Eagle Reef, which is
a few hundred yards out from Catalina and is well-marked by buoys. Dive flag
was flying.
Apparently the two victims were brought out by dingy from the private boat by
another person, who had the divers enter the water near the Mr. C (not sure how
close) and then the dingy went back to the private boat, presumably to pick the
two free-divers up later. Don't know if they were spear-fishing or just
sight-seeing, and don't think it matters much either way.
The captain of the Mr. C said that he saw another boat, a 30' private boat,
heading towards Eagle Reef, and the general area in which he was anchored, at
what appeared to be full speed. He (the captain) ran into the wheelhouse and
began blowing his horn while others on deck yelled at the approaching boat, but
to no avail.
The boat, still moving at a very fast speed, ran directly over the two
free-divers. (Don't know how close or far from the Mr. C they were at the
time.) Right after the impact, the boat stopped, circled back to the Mr. C, and
the boat driver supposedly said, "I think I may have hit one of your divers."
At this point, divers from the Mr. C were already in the water towing back the
victims and a call was put into Isthmus Baywatch, which is about a mile away.
The surviving diver apparently had cuts and lacerations over his legs and
torso. We heard a report of a broken leg. The other diver unfortunately was hit
in the head, apparently by the prop. I will not describe anything here other
than to say it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to make it.
Baywatch took the victims (I'm assuming) to the Catalina Chamber for medical
treatment. We also understand the boat was escorted into the Isthmus area and
the driver was "detained" and the boat impounded.
Don't know if any charges have or will be filed but many of us are SPECULATING
that manslaughter is a possibility, given the proximity of the Mr. C, the
presence of a dive flag, the close approach and excessive speed of the other
boat (California law requires boats to stay 100 yards from another vessel
flying a dive flag), and the buoys on the reef.
Ken Kurtis
NAUI Instructor #5936
Co-owner
Reef Seekers Dive Co.
Beverly Hills, Ca.
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In Reply to: Swim through at Santa Barbara Is. posted by Cormerant on June 05, 2000 at 20:03:14:
Sounds like you're talking about Black Caverns.
There no such thing ;-)
I understood these to be a myth that you made up.
Later
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In Reply to: Choice of SS or Aluminum backplate for single tank wetsuit diving? posted by Robert M on June 14, 2000 at 10:58:56:
I dive a OMS IQ w/ SS back plate, an excel 7/5 semi-dry suit, and I use a single steel 120 bottle. I went with the OMS for the tech diving options it offers
OMS doesn't give you the tech options that are needed. They have options that look good but are worthless in real tech diving situations.
Halcyon on the other hand is designed to satisfy the needs of a tech diver, not just add a bunch of useless O-rings and bands. These bands have been directly linked to several deaths and even OMS is moving away from them.
Be careful ..
Regards
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Posted by MHK on July 07, 2000 at 14:44:38:
Steve,
I really don't want to get to much into this thread because it seems to me to be deteriorating. Moreoever, I would prefer not to speak ill of the dead, but I do think it's important that we analyze the mistakes and hopefully learn from them. Thta being said, I have one brief comment about a local tradegy that you refer to..
Posted by Steve Taylor on July 07, 2000 at 13:11:46:
Would DIR gear and theories have kept Darren Douglass from jumping back in the water when his son failed to surface.
I understand you were on the Westerly that day, so perhaps you can shed some light on the difference between panic over a missing son and Doing it Right.
A couple of minor points and then my comments. The accident happened on the Atlantis, not the Westerly. And John was not in the boat...
That aside, and I'm trying to be deferential to a father and son that lost there lives. But the fact of the matter is that DIR philosophies would have prevented this accident. Furthermore, Darren didn't jump back in the water after his son. He was still in the water when he saw Jeff ascending without he son so he descended.
Moreover, there are several DIR concepts that would have prevented these people from being in the situation in the first place. DIR isn't about knowing how to survive a tough situation, it's also about knowing how not to get yourself in the situation in the first place..
A 14 yeard old shouldn't have been 140' on air, helping to free an anchor. There was little team coordination, and it APPEARS ( and I want to emphasis I can't state for certain ) but it appears that Darren ( who was diving deep on air ) looked back and saw two diver's following him to the anchor and believed it to be Jerimiah and Jeff. ( as it turns out it was not, it was another team ) Was he narc'd??? Who knows. But DIR would have meant diving a hyperoxic trimix to keep your END at no deeper than 100'.
DIR would not have us ascending until we confirmed with our whole team that we were going up, we would have confirmed with each other our deco gas switches. Under DIR principles there would have been no way that I would be at 20' ( dangerously low on air), having already switched to my deco gas, and not have looked at my buddy atleast 3 or 4 times. We would have built in a deep stop, we would have confirmed our gas supply, we would have given the thumbs up upon calling the dive and confirmed we were all going..
I could go on, but as I said, I don't want to speak ill, but to suggest that DIR principles would not have helped in this situation I felt the need to speak out.
Furthermore, you should be aware that I have spoken to Jeff Highley ( the survivor ) about this incident, I have spoken to Bob Titus and Dr. Debbie Hill, who were the diver's that retrived Jeff and preformed the CPR, I have spoken to the chamber technician on duty that day, and I have also spoken to one of the crew members aboard the Atlantis ( not the Westerly ).
You have a fair amount of inaccurate facts so I would be careful about continuing down this road until you get them straightened out..
This tradegy was a painful event in SoCal diving and unless you think something good can come out of reopening the wounds I suggest that we end it here.
regards
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Posted by kelphead on July 11, 2000 at 17:29:37:
since i may be thinking of getting a 'halcyon' myself, i thought that this style/shape of dive light would be ideal since i can attach it the same way (as opposed to dangling off my b.c. now via a male/female 'fastex' clip).
I think you mean a Extreme exposure light which happens to be sold through Halcyon.
I have both the Pro 3 and Pro 14 which are the very large light's with the cannister attached to the light head. SInce I know the kind of doing you are doing I would suggest that these lights for you are overkill. I will have them available at the DIR demo I'm doing at Reef Seeker's Thursday night.
On the other hand you may very well be referring to the scout lights ( also sold through Halcyon ). These lights are durable, rugged and are what we use as backup lights. But that being said they are back up because they are easy to store, they are streamlined, they are dependable and will work if we need to get out of a cave, wreck and will work just fine when used as a primary in most of our local diving environments..
And surprise, I'll have a couple for you to check out at the demo on Thur.
Later
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Posted by Ken Kurtis on August 28, 2000 at 14:11:17:
VERY clear as to what is specualation
Further to yesterday's discussion, can you explain what * specualation * means ;-)
BTW, this guy is obvioulsy trolling, no one could actually believe this based on the facts.
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Posted by MHK on August 28, 2000 at 17:54:26:
Posted by Ken Kurtis on August 28, 2000 at 13:10:26:
hgappened
OOOPs, sorry Ken my comment in the other thread was suppose to be in response to this thread. In terms of our discussion of yesterday both threads apply
;-) ;-)
But in terms of trolling, my comments were applicable to this thread.
This has to be a troll!!!!
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Posted by Ken Kurtis on September 06, 2000 at 10:51:35:
(was it KSDA?); Korean Scuba Diving Association..
Ken also wrote:
It's the second half of that statement I take issue with. It almost makes it sound like (and I think I know you well enough to know this wasn't your intent) that buddy diving is a panacea that will provide a solution for all life-threatening diving problems
I don't know if it is because of Bill Clinton or what, that now what used to be commonally understood get's parced and picked apart.
No one is saying that a buddy is a bullet proof way to save your life. But when comparing the chances of survival with a buddy versus without a buddy your chances increase dramatically. That's the whole point.
Too many people are parsing words and playing verbal gymnastics.
We hear and see all the time experienced divers defending the solo diving practice, and we also hear and see diver's claiming that they solved the OOA situation due to an alternative aire source ( ie; pony ), but that isn't the only potential problem that could come up. Entanglement, disorientation, lift source failure, to name a few.
Is it someone's right to solo ??? Sure. But what we are highlighting is that given all the deaths that we have had this year from experienced solo divers everyone should re- think it.
That's my position on this issue. But what I'm struck by is the menatlity, or lack thereof, from the advocates of solo diving practices.
There position comes from the menatlity that * we know the risks, etc. etc. etc....* then when someone dies, and it's obvious that a buddy could have saved them, they attempt to distort the facts and take the position that it may not have mattered, or better yet that a buddy may in fact be more dangerous. These people are living in denial.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say we know the risks and then when the price to be paid is called you can distort the facts to placate your desired conclusion.
7 deaths solo this year alone. If you don't want to wake up and change your own diving practices that's your own decision and you are free to choose that. But to get on an open forum and speak out in favor of such, you can be sure that those in opposition ( and I count myself in that crowd ) will speak out.
As the death toll mounts, as more diver's are getting watered down training, as more diver's are getting information from scuba forums, it's irresponsible to blanketly suggest that solo diving is an acceptable medium. I have been personally soloing for years, I have looked at all these deaths and have concluded that I don't want to be a statistic. I have changed my practices and encourage others to look at their diving habits. No dive is worth diving for and the more newer divers read these NG's and believe how *easy* it is to solo the more *unqualified* divers will keep doing it.
7 solo deaths in our area alone, what will it take for diver's to wake up???
If anyone is arguing that these diver's would not have made it if they had a buddy you need to have a good, long reality check because you are living in denial....
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Posted by SLANG on September 06, 2000 at 19:23:59:
, I chose to dive EANx 32%, which still kept my PPO2 below 1.4 (just for MHK).
Atleast some one is listening ;-)
Later Posted by Jim Hoffmann on September 07, 2000 at 09:49:09:
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Posted by Frank Farmer on September 06, 2000 at 21:13:56:
Tell me what's foolish about my Nitrox profile:
My primary bottle a 125 cu ft steel, my pony a 40 cu ft aluminum. 21% in the main, 40% in the pony.
Do you really want me to answer this???? There is plenty wrong with this....
You just gave Ken amunition for his defense......
So let's assume you are using your main gas to 130', now you have a problem and you must switch to your pony that has 40% in it. Notwithstanding the P02 *spike* you would incur you would also be diving a mix with a P02 of 1.98..
That's what's wrong with your scenario. You should NEVER have a higher F02 in your bailout than in your main gas supply.
Later Posted by SLANG on September 07, 2000 at 11:30:27:
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Posted by seahunt on September 07, 2000 at 14:46:22:
I hope that you can leave that decision to me, safer or not.
What you do when you dive is your business. But that does not preclude me from speaking out against a practice that I believe is dangerous. In my view the dynamics of diving has changed dramatically over the years. In earlier years dive classes used to mean something. In todays world many diver's are getting rushed through classes, many divers that aren't qualified are getting c-cards, many divers extract information from the various scuba forums. So I believe that if you decide to dive solo and decide to speak out about it that is certainly your right, but by the same token there are those of us that also have the right to denounce the practice. Sadly, we have been able to support our position by the added body count.
It has been argued that I am making up these deaths ( not by you but by others ). Please tell teh family members that I've made these up. Please tell the DM's that did the CPR, or the buddies who are left to live with themselves for abandoning there buddy that I'm making these up.
Scuba diving has remained free of government regulation because by in large the ratio of diver's to fatalities has stayed low, but as the bodies add up that may very well not remain the case.
Moreover, I have had the miserable experience of dragging three bodies from the ocean. Two of which went down with buddies and were abandoned by there buddies. I spoke to each of these buddies on the ride home and the feeling of guilt that both of them felt is indescribable.
So feel free to speak your mind, I have no problem with opposing viewpoints. But by the same token I will continue to speak my mind as well. And the more the bodies add up the more I will speak out.
Did you read the note from Ron Fuller's wife she posted after he died??? Did you not feel her pain??
When shit happens underwater, it happens quick and the window of opportunity closes quickly once panic sets in. A fresh set of eyes, two additional hands, a additional air source, a calmer head all add up in favor of a greater chance of survival opposed to a solo effort..
Later Posted by scubabum on September 07, 2000 at 15:26:20:
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All the hoopla about steel vs. aluminum, backplate or not, ankle or whatever weights, is not relevant.
It seems that you are agruing now for the sake of arguing... All the *hoopla* as you put it is directly relevant..
If you followed my recomendation that states that your total weighting should be 10% of your body weight plus 6 - 8 lbs, it's a particularly relevant. Perhaps you are unaware that steel and AL tanks have differeing bouyancy characteristics?? Moroever, a SS BP is 6 lbs negative, ankle weights, light cannisters etc. all play a factor in this overall weighting system.
If it's too complicated for you to figure out perhaps you should get a better handle on the subject matter prior to rendering advice. I see all too many diver's diving overweighted week in and week out. After I take the time to explain these principles to them, you'll be surprised how much weigh they shed.
BTW, I dive every weekend, I see many, many open ocean divers on a weekly basis, can you say the same??? If so, for the benefit of those on the list that don't know you or your experience level why don't you share this so we can get a sense of who is providing the information. And BTW, aquarium dives don't count..
Later Posted by MHK on September 11, 2000 at 11:23:32:
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Posted by Chris on September 13, 2000 at 17:11:49:
I agree. I use a 30 cu ft pony for decompression dives.
What kind of deco diving are you doing that allows for a 30 CuFt pony as the deco source???
Not flaming but just curious..
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Posted by Eins on September 13, 2000 at 17:26:13:
I am known for being anal in my quest for precise statements.
I have certainly noticed this about you, but I would offer this comment in this regard. These forums provide a unique opportunity for diver's to share ideas and discuss issues. More often that not we speak in generalities that speak to a wide audience. Your quest to be anal often times comes off as antagonostic. To the extent that we answered every question as precisely as you would have desire we would spend our entire day as if we were preparing to testify before a Senate sub-committee.
Usernet forums lend itself to generic answers to generic questions. If you feel that you wish a specific follow up by all means ask away, but more often that not, rather than phrase your follow up's as questions you come off as attacking the responder for not answering what you believe the question asked.
If a newbie asks a general question about ( for example ) why NAUI and PADI tables provide for differing times at certain depths. The easiest way to answer that is to simply say that the tables are based on different conservation factors based on the same Buhlman models. To the extent that we did answer something that generically I could vision you challenging us on why we didn't get into more detail about M-values, provide the specific algorithms or what have you. You often site that you are unfamiliar with our culture. I'm willing to accept that, so I would offer the following suggestion based upon that notion. If you are unfamiliar with *our culture* try to asimilate rather than expect us to all change.
Most, if not all of us on these NG's have *real jobs* and we can't worry about how anal you are in your quest for precise statements. We try to offer help, advise and suggestions but you all too often side track the salient issues with side shows, language lessons and nonsense that turns off many other who made have had an interest in the underlying subject matter.
I have told you often enough that you spend too much time paying attention to specific wording rather than looking at the big picture. Whether that is cultural or not I have no idea. If we answered all the questions with the precision that you require, we would need to spend all day writting treatisies.
No one is suggesting incomplete answers, but we simply don't have the time or resources to consider your *anal* factor everytime we post and this notion that you are championing *precision* from the usernet posters of the world is nonsense..
Most people know us, or have seen us post often enough to get a sense of whether we know what the hell we are talking about or not. Let the marketplace, such as it is, determine credibilty because your efforts are annoying..
Sorry if this seems harsh and it is not intended as a flame, it's just that I have limited amount of available time and I can't waste it arguing semantics everytime I post.
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Most pedestrians in accidents die alone .... therefore one should never walk alone.
This is the same fallacious logic you use.
This is such bullshit as too not even be funny... You can live in denial all you want, but to compare the benefits of a buddy 100' underwater when your regulator fails or your bc fails, or you get entangled is horseshit...
If you want to argue the benefits of solo do so with intelligent thinking but to make this comparison is ridiculous..
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Posted by Ken Kurtis on September 20, 2000 at 20:54:16:
I don't agree with Michael that if you lose your buddy, you are now a solo diver. I think you're a buddyless diver
Has Bill Clinton joined this list??? Who cares if you call yourself a solo diver or a buddyless diver??? The facts are that if you need help whether you call yourself solo or buddyless, there isn't anyone around to help....
All you guys continue to torture the definition of solo all you want, but what it boils down to is that during a given period of a dive, while underwater, if something happens that may require the assistance of another individual is that person there or not????
These threads have gotten so ridiculously stupid and people are making some of the dumbest arguements I have ever heard of. There is discussion about buddies being more dangerous than solo, there is variant definitions of what solo is, and there have been some of the most stubborn ideas all designed to reduce the number of deaths attributable to solo efforts in the name of safety..
You now have EINS jumping for joy because Ken came up with a definition that reduces the number of deaths from 8 to 3. Let me give you guys a clue, the family memebers could care less if you said he was solo or buddyless, the person is still dead....
Ken, I appreciate that you thought it might be helpful to provide a definition but I'd like to offer up my own definition of solo, intent notwithstanding..
If you are underwater without anyone else available to help should an emergency arise, you are solo... How or why you are solo is irrelevant because if you need help and can't get it you aren't likely to survive to worry about how or why you arrived buddyless...
Speaking of intent, if you get shot in the head by a person who didn't think the gun was loaded he would likely get charged with manslaughter because he didn't *intend* to kill you, but would you care if he didn't have the requisite intent??? You would be dead just the same as if he intentionally held the gun to your head...
This pattern of parsing language and soft soaping salient issues is disturbing and has no place in scuba diving. You either accept the premise of being alone underwater or you don't...
Later Posted by seahunt on September 21, 2000 at 10:43:54:
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Posted by Gerry Smith on September 21, 2000 at 14:44:58:
Presumably a solo diver (intentional) has considered his choice and made adjustments to minimize additional risk. High quality, well maintained gear, high level of training and experience, and redundant UBA are examples that come to mind.
Gerry,
All fair points that you raise but it seems to me that the above points respecting training , gear etc. etc. should not be exclusive to solo diver's, they should apply to ALL diver's.
Part of the problem that I'm struggling with regarding the twisting and torturing of definitions is that it debases some very meaningful points. In that I mean, you should accept inferior training or use outdated equipment just because you have a buddy that may save you. Every diver should approach the dive from the standpoint of good mental preparation, proper training and equipment in good working order.
What has been troubling me about these discussions is the cavalier attitudes about the rights of a diver to kill themselves, and more often that not, it's the *it can't happen to me because I'm experienced * attitude.. What I have been trying to focus on is that several of the local fatalities were some very experienced diver's ( 1,000 + dives ) that thought right up until the dive that they killed themself on, that it couldn't happen to them...
Furthermore, this list represents a very diversified combination of diver's. We have some VERY experienced diver's, some instructors and shop owners that have been teaching for 20+ years, and we have some very new divers. And in all candor, the rules of the game have changed.. Training has been watered down, students are getting less and less and are gaining knowledge from forums such as this. And then issues such as solo diving, wreck diving, tech diving get thrown around with reckless abandon, as if anybody can do it. And when you try to have meaningful discussions about the dangers of the efforts, more often than not you start hearing about the diver's right to kill themself blah, blah, blah...
It just seems to me that the more advanced diver's on this list bear a responsibility to keep certain information in check and make sure that it is vetted properly. So when I see certain posters justifying the end by any and all means I try to point out that the fact of the matter is when the sh*t hit's the fan, you have seconds to respond, react and fix the problem and the buddy can help..
Regards Posted by kelphead on September 21, 2000 at 18:01:36:
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Posted by kelphead on September 21, 2000 at 18:35:40:
i don't intend to speak ill of the dead, but
one does have to wonder why this particular diver
did not take a buddy along under such new and
extremely different circumstances than he was used
to.
I can sum it up for you in one word:
Complacency.....
Which speaks to my point. ALL of the VERY experienced solo diver's that have recently died didn't think it could happen to them, right up until the second it happened to them...
I spoke to Ron Fuller 2 weeks before he died. In fact he was showing off his home made rebreather to me and asked me what I thought about it. and this was just after Tony Maffatone died on the USS San Diego diving a home made rebrether.
I won't repeat here what I said to Ron, but the sum total was that I thought he was nuts!!!! 2 weeks later he was dead, in what to me seems like a very preventable death.. If you read his wife's post you can clearly see her pain, and that of her children's. Of course the usual crowd made the same noise about Ron being experienced and knowing the risks, but complaceny kills....
Posted by kelphead on September 21, 2000 at 18:35:40:
but i certainly
would never disqualify one's decades-long experience
just b/c that experience did not utilize a technique
that a minority of relatively young divers has
more recently designed for specific types of diving.
I don't discount anyone experience, but what has been troubling to me is that some experienced diver's get on here and post that just because they solo means means that they take the blanket viewpoint that solo is ok, some have even been arguing that a buddy is a more dangerous effort than solo. I feel that other's of experience need to vett properly these notions because we have a lot of new diver's on this group and if they read so and so, who has 1000+ dives says this or that is ok, then it must be...
I don't plan to sit by idley. For example, Frank Farmer has been vocal in his support for solo diving. He made no mention of specific limits and just went on record as saying solo is ok. Then when I recanted a story about the Andrea Doria, he changed his tune and said you should dive deep solo.. I asked him which is it, solo or not, if so when and how deep.. Of course, I got no reply. So I'm suspect at this point of blanket statemenst such as solo is ok..
I am now having a big discussion with a long time diver from our area, he has been diving for approx. 30 years and in the last 6 months decided to get certified in trimix. With less than 6 months technical experience he is now very upset at the fact that I won't let him dive solo to 300' on trips that I act as technical supervisor.
So where does the solo debate end??? How deep is deep enough?? Where do you draw the line?? And if you say OK to so and so, how do you tell the other guy, NO...
I spend a fair amount of time discussing diving fatalities and one pattern I have seen when we discuss a solo death, is that the proponents always look at the solo death, find something that they do differently and then say, well it couldn't have happened to me because I don't do this or that. ( and Ron's rebreather is the perfect example ) It's called denial...
When I asked Ron directly about Tony Maffatone's death he said to me that his homemade rebreather was different that Tony's homemade rebreather and he would be ok... Well, 2 weeks later he was dead..
Complacency kills....
Regards Posted by ABUBAKAR ABDULHAMID on September 22, 2000 at 09:38:08:
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Posted by Ken Kurtis on September 22, 2000 at 22:55:38:
Don't know why it's so hrd to see that most of us don't accept your definition of diving solo, and that's where most of the disagreement stems from.
Ken,
I could care less if anyone accepts my definition.. That's part of the problem. The definition is completely irrelevant, what is important is the issue, not whether we can agree on language. I have attempted to be as broad as possible because the fact of the matter is what is important is whether you have someone available to help when you need it. You guys keep talking about buddyless -v- solo. I keep saying I don't care how you got there.
So let's agree to disagree on semantics and let's focus the debate on the fact that 8 *buddyless* diver's are dead and several of them probably could have been saved if they had, had someone with them at the time something went wrong..
The usual arguements that I hear in this forum and other's are that * I'm experienced and I have been doing it this way forever, and I can handle any emergency or I know the risks etc. etc. etc.*
Those are the troubling components of this debate, so to keep it politically correct we should bifrucate the issue into the following:
1) Planned solo;
2) Unplanned solo
I stipulate that it doesn't matter to me, but in the interest of having a substantive discussion on the merits of the issues I'll acquiese the point...
Can we now focus on the facts???
Later Posted by Mark on September 25, 2000 at 09:37:22:
Posted by tleemay on September 25, 2000 at 09:47:08:
Posted by MHK on September 25, 2000 at 10:30:26:
Posted by Eins on September 22, 2000 at 18:19:22:
Are you ever going to stop? MHK
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Eins on September 22, 2000 at 18:19:22:
You state I accused you of making up 8 solo deaths. Wrong! What I did was expressing doubt whether you know what you are talking about
I know full well what I'm talking about, can you say the same???
The list of permanately retired divers in So. Cal since Jan 1...
1) The kid at the oil rigs who signalled his buddies he was having a problem at they let him ascend solo;
2) The guy at Laguana Beach in 20' who's buddy let him ascend solo;
3) The DM who after assisting a class went in to Casino Point solo and he body was found several days later;
4) The member of the KSDA who was hunting solo and was found 4 days later with a full game bag caught up in a lobster trap;
5) The guy a few weeks ago recovering an anchor solo and his wife and kid were on the deck watching his gear ascend without him;
6) Ron Fuller diving solo with a homemade rebreather died in 60';
7) The buddy team that got seperated and he got caught up in the power plant;
8) The body that was recovered at Malaga cove;
9) The other memeber of the KSDA that was swimming back to the Encore at the surface a few weeks a go
10) The Air Force search and Rescue team member found in 4' of water solo...
Those are the facts, they are dead and several of them would be alive today had they had someone with them when they needed it, some we will never know for sure and a few it would not have mattered..
So my question is, given that many of these deaths were from VERY, VERY experienced diver's who planned on being solo, and a few that were with a buddy who complacantely believed that they were * OK * to ascend solo, how can anyone still be arguing in favor of solo diving????
Save the verbal gymnastics for another thread and answer that question????
Posted by Eins on September 22, 2000 at 18:19:22:
I have received several e-mails supporting me in my pursuit against your arguments,
I get atleast 10 e-mails a day from diver's supporting my various positions, so what's your point???
Later
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MHK, I am not arguing in favor of solo diving per se. I am only concerned about solo diving getting a worse rep than it deserves.
I couldn't disagree with you anymore than I do.. And this time I'm not singling you out. Part of the problem is just the opposite, solo diving get's glorified and the potential dangers are taken much too lightly...
Posted by Eins on September 25, 2000 at 12:01:36:
: I can say the same about me but still have my doubts about you. Another recent example was your drysuit comment at
http://diver.net/bbs/messages/3268.shtml
where you stated that crushed neoprene compresses at depth (which it does not).
For the last time, I could care less what you think of me. It makes no difference to me whether you liten/believe me or not.. You have your mind made up and we don't agree. I could care less. But I have no intention of allowing you to get away with challenging my credibilty.
How much do you want to bet that the crushed neoprene drysuits compress at depth??
Put your money up, or shut up!!!!!!
This time I will NOT allow you to misdirect and hide.
First off we are talking about solo diving and then you throw in this BS red herring about something that has NOTHING to do with the underlying thread, all with the specific intention of putting my credibilty into play..
Put up or shut up time.....
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Posted by Eins on September 25, 2000 at 11:25:33:
Why would an "experienced" recovery diver breathe in air in a dead end mine where there is always risk of it being toxic? Sorry, but that does not sound very experienced.
In my best Ronald Reagan voice * there you go again*...
I'm confused, after we posted the links to the stories that had Air Force personel saying how experienced and shocked that someone that experienced could die, are you challenging the fact that this guy was experienced???
Or are you agreeing with me in that you recognize that experineced guys can do stupid things and wind up dead????
Please clarify..
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Posted by Gerry Smith on September 25, 2000 at 13:20:50:
But I think "steven" and to some degree "EINS" made the important point - that Mike picked a bad example to prove his pro buddy point. The chance that a buddy would have waited patiently for the diver to test the air before removing his reg would seem pretty slim to me. Therefore IN THIS VERY SPECIFIC CASE, this was probably one of the instances where a buddy would have only guaranteed a second fatality.
Gerry,
A couple of points, while for certain I have been trying to raise the buddy awareness issue, I want to point out that it was the Sheriff dept. that concluded a buddy would have saved him. And I did in fact omit ( not intentionally ) that according to Mark, there was not enough room for 2 people to have stood up so it would have been therefore unlikley that both people could have died, and I think more importantly, had a buddy been there more than likley the body would have fallen on the buddy due to the tightness of the area and he could have reacted.
Obvioulsy no one was there so there is a fair amount of speculation, but given the facts and the fact that the Air Force is pushing for answers pretty hard, it's likley that we'll find the air was toxic and it's very unfortunate that we lost a good man in 4' of water...
By extension of my arguement is that the Sheriff and the Air Force seem to be leaning toward the fact that a buddy would have saved him, I just happen to be pointing out the same issue at this time on this forum..
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Posted by Frank, AADIVER, Farmer on September 26, 2000 at 08:05:26:
no one has responded to my posts about independent diving and the legal liability issue of buddy diving.
My feeling is this notion of independent diving is more dangerous than buddy diving ( whether it be teams of 2,3,4 or whatever ). In a coordinated team approach, Diver A is assigned to diver B, Diver C is assigned to Diver D and so on. This uncoordinated loose approach could lead to disorganization, confusion and delayed responses in my view. Moreover, while we have repeatedly stated that everyone needs to be self-sufficient, there does exsist some notion of responsibility towards your buddy in a team approach. In this approach that you are advocating there exsists no sense of responsibilty but rather if I happen to be around when you need me I'll help.
As for the notion of litigation within a buddy team, I would like to know the facts of the case that you cite. Generally the good samaritan laws protect untrained diver's and for there to be a finding or a cause of action you would need negligence, and contract and a breach, so before I'm prepared to comment on litigous matters I want to know more of the facts.
Later Posted by MHK on September 26, 2000 at 09:24:25:
Posted by Gerry Smith on September 25, 2000 at 17:46:47:
I want to understand why DIR calls for a ss backplate in open water diving. I've always felt that to maximize ditchable weight was a good thing. I see the difference with an OE dive, but I don't see how it applies once you have direct access to the surface.
Let me see if I can explain it. DIR suggests that you pay particular attention to your weighting package taken as a whole. By that we mean you should wear no more or less than necessary and then it should be distrubuted to afford the best possible trim and to allow for enough to be ditched in an emergency, but provide for some stabilization so as to prevent a rapid ascent to the surface if you need to ditch.
So for example, and I'll use my personal rig as a way of example, I'm 6'2' and weigh 220 lbs. I generally use twin AL 80's ( which each tank swings from 4 lbs positive to 3 lbs negative when depleted ). I have found that in my desire to keep proper trim that it is better to distrubute the weight as opposed to having it all on my hips. With it all on the hips the natural tendancy then would be to have the lower portion of your body lag and therefore increase the drag.
I therefore use a SS BP ( which is 6lbs ), I use a 8 lb V-weight, and then my light cannister ( 5 lbs ), if I need to ditch I will drop the cannister and still be able to surface but not rapidly ascend. Terry, Troy and myself have all done this from 100'+. We tested this over a period of dives wherein we each handed off our cannister and then ascended simulating a failed bc. Each of us has no problem doing a controlled ascent without using our bc..
What you are trying to accomplish is to weight yourself for the lightest point of your dive, which should be when you tanks are nearly empty and you want a 10' or 15' stop. Conversly, you want sufficient lift capacity to lift yourslef at the heaviest point of your dive , which is when you first descend and your tanks are full..
The SS BP allows us to evenly distribute the weight, stabilize your trim and prevent a rapid ascent if you need to ditch. Bear in mind that if you are in the Carribean or some like environment, you could also use a AL BP which weighs 1 lb..
Hopefully this helps..
Regards Posted by Wayne on September 26, 2000 at 09:35:46:
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. They have made me a better diver by forcing me to rethink my diving practices from different perspectives.
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Actually, Frank, I did respond to your thought of independent diving, but since you apparently didn't see it, I'll re-post here. (Apologies to those who've already read it.)
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Posted by Ken Kurtis on September 25, 2000 at 22:22:25:
In Reply to: Re: It is not solo diving per se that kills, it is attitude. posted by Frank, AADIVER, Farmer on September 25, 2000 at 18:26:03:
(Frank Farmer posted) I have never in 36 years of active diving, world-wide, dove totally solo. I dive independently with other groups of divers, primarily on shipwrecks.
I'll start by stating that this is NOT intended as a flame, Frank, but I think that what you're doing might be even more risky than solo diving.
First of all, you're the only person I've ever heard mention "independent" diving. In a discussion I had with Karl Huggins, Director of the Catalina chamber, today (see more detail in a seperate thread), he said from their perspective on the accident reports, divers are classified as buddy, solo, or buddy seperation.
The reason I think I think yours could be a dangerous mindset is that when you're solo diving, you KNOW that if anything bad happens, you're on your own. Hopefully, you start the dive mentally prepared to deal, by yourself, with any calamity that may befall you. (Whether or not that's a GOOD decision is not the point here.)
However it seems to me that what you're saying is that you're diving alone, but there are other divers around, and if there's a problem, they'll come to your aid (which is why you seem to define this as non-solo).
Yet if you're "indepednent" of them, then who';s going to be watching you and why will they be watching in the first place since you'rte not partof their buddy team?
Its seems to me you think you're solo until a problem happens and then these other group members diving the same wreck will magically spot your problem and come to your aid if needed.
If we accept Eins' contention that complacency kills (and I'd even add that good divers make bad decisions that get them in trouble), then it just seems to me, despite your success record of 36 years, that you're setting yourself up for disaster because the one time you will need someone's aid, the people who you expect to provide it will not be paying attention to your plight since you're "indepenedent."
Seems confusing, if not indeed dangerous, to me and I'd be interested in hearing some clarification from you if you'd care to. (Maybe a seperate thread, even.)
Ken Kurtis
NAUI Instr. #5936
Co-owner, Reef Seekers Dive Co.
Beverly Hills, Ca.
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Posted by Eins on October 02, 2000 at 17:00:45:
Hello? Anybody home?
I have always made it a point that when I'm sinking fast I try to be a little humble so that way maybe I'll be shown a little mercy..
It's obvious I've done my homework, it's obvious I'm right and you are wrong but rather than be the slightest bit humble you post this sarcastic nonsense..
So be it...
So while I'm at home I'll discuss the Compressibilty and cubical expansion theory which staes in pertinent part...
Under pressure and tempaeture changes, ALL ( pat attention here EINS ) ALL, as in everything, as in all, as in compressed neoprene... ( I bet you believe pre shrunk jeans don't shrink in the dryer)
ALL matter undergoes expansion or compression. The coefficient of volume change, k , under pressure, at constant tempature, T, is called the isothermal compressibilty, and is expressed as follows assuming this list allows for proper formatting:
K = - 1 (av
. ---- ---
. V AP ) t
and the coefficient of cubical expansion, B, measures the volume change under tempature change, at constant pressure
B = 1 ( AV
. --
. V AT) p
( Note ignoe the *.* at the beginning of each line I was hoping that would allow for prpoer formating)
the above quantities can be meauserd experimentally for ANY ( emphasis added ) material.
It is understood that the compressibilty and expansion coefficients depend inversley on pressure, P, and tempature, T. do before we can calculate specifics ( and I'll do the math ) you need to admit you were wrong, you need to send Karl $20 and then provide depth, water temp and then wetsuit size -v- drysuit...
After you admit you were wrong and Karl get's paid I'll post the calculations....
But the most important issue that needs to be highlighted is that you nitpick BS issues ( such as the cost of DA's ), but have consistently missed the boat on the big and important issues so cut the crap and let's get this list back on track because it is becomming unbearable and a waste of my time...
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Posted by Frank Farmer on October 02, 2000 at 23:24:31:
Details, por favor, i.e., cost?,
$60 per head
where's the boat?,
In San Diego right just next to the Lois Ann. Here's there website with directions www.blueescape.com
bring our own tank set up?,
Whatever you are more comfortable with. But they do have AL 80's.
time of departure?,
2:00, and we will meet in our Hotel ( yet to be confirmed ) at 10:00am and spend a few hours going over the protocols I have previoulsy outlined...
number of dives?,
2 dives on the Yukon
lunch?,
They provide snacks and soft drinks so we'll probably grab a bite before we depart...
is this a newbie excursion?, etc.
This is a familiarization dive. Ny sense is that anyone who has substantial wreck experience that this trip would be to fundamnetal. We plan on going over rule of thirds, disproportionat tanks sizes, baselines, basic line techniques, equipment configurations, primary and back up lights, spools, lift bags, primary and secondary tie-off's. ( if we do penetrate it will be on the 2nd dive and then only very lightly to demonstrate tie offs), lost/cut line protocols. I'm trying to keep this at a basic level so anyone who has wreck experience this may be redundant or too basic. I would add however, that all are invited, but bear in mind that we will stay focused on the elemental aspects.
Regards
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Does anyone teach Trimix in Southern Cal. area?
John Walker does, call Jim Hoffman and he can give you a schedule..
714-527-0430
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Posted by kelphead on October 10, 2000 at 11:30:24:
**how does the socal community go about making
helium more common and, hence, cheaper???
what should we as divers do to get more shops
to offer it?? is there a way that some divers
could get together and provide their own helium/oxygen
mixes????
I wish I had better answers for you, but the fact of the matter is that to get good quality Helium it costs money. Jim is in a much better position than I am to speak to the actual costs, but I dive it in NY, Fla., Northern Calif, Great Lakes, Cayman Islands to name a few and everywhere you go it is expensive. If you go to Truk or Guam for example it's frankly cost prohibitive.. For example some of the best wrecks there, Saratoga, Nagato are in the 150' - 200' range but virtually no one uses He because of the cost..
I don't think it's a local problem as much as it is a matter of the gas is expensive..
In terms of diver's blending there own I would add a few comments:
1) Obvioulsy you would need to learn how to blend which is an additional class. My class cost about $300 if my memory serves me correctly.
2) You would need to either buy or rent the storgae bottles. I bought 5 H-bottles of He and the cost with the He was just over $1,000.
3) To the extent you are going to do your own mixing you will then need oxygen. Most people that I know do not like the idea of oxygen in their garage. I'm not aware of this issues respecting alerting the Fire Dept., proper warning signs and those type of issues.
4) If you are going to be handling 02 you will of course need dedicated whips, which mine costs nearly $1,000. I'll note that I bought digital gauges, so it could probably be done cheaper, but there are costs involved nonetheless.
5) You will then need a compressor and perhaps a booster.
All these costs get VERY expensive, whereas a shop has most of these fixed costs anyway.
I have bought Helium in many places and in all fairness to Jim Hoffman ( Scuba Toys), he is very competetive in his pricing...
Posted by kelphead on October 10, 2000 at 11:30:24:
**what about tables?? are helium tables available
and can one program them in, say, a nitrox computer????
how do you guys go about figuring out your ndl's
while incorporating helium as the gas of choice??
These are very difficult questions to answer on a NG forum.. These questions speak to the very heart of a trimix class so bear in mind that I am speaking in generics and my answers should NOT be taken as a substitute for a quality class. I recommend John Walker here in the South Bay and Wings Stocks in Northern Calif.
The basic Haldane and Buhlman models do NOT provide for Helium. There are several computers that now provide for He but my understanding is that they are very expensive. I understand the Proplanner Version is about $1,200 and the Nitek is upwards of $900. Please don't hold me to those numbers as I don't know exactly but I'm pretty sure there in the ball park..
Most diver's using Helium in there mix plan a dive profile ahead of time and then write there profiles on a slate or in the Wetnotes. That's not to say you can't use a computer, but most diver's that get to this level have a real good understanding of M-values ( NDL's), and are in a position to compute on the fly.
The key thing to remember about Helium is that the deep stops are the key.. If you plan your ascent properly, bearing in mind that Helium is much friendlier than Nitrogen, by the time you get to 15' you are in a much better position than if you had the same BT using only N2...
Later
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Posted by ScubaGlenn on October 16, 2000 at 18:27:36:
They may have such a low number of required dives in order to develop an express train to qualify divemasters
DING, DING, DING!!!!!!!!! Sound of bells and whistles in the background!!!!!!
That's precisely why they do it and that's precisely why PADI has the bad rap that they have.. They have done everything they can to earn it!!!!
There should be NO such thing as a fast track to express people up the food chain inot leadership and/or instructional positions!!!!!!
A slower more measured approach would actually make that Card mean something again. The current leadership at PADI has so debased the notion of training and education that a PADI C-card isn't worth a damn anymore..
They have sold their integretiy in favor od gaining market share and have long since lost any respect that they once had..
I'm all for positive and constructive comments as has been suggested by another poster, but the problem with that is that the currnet PADI leadership has chosen a different course of action and any attempts at constructive discussions that may preclude gains in market share are met with the company line * Our lawyers have told us that these are appropriate enough standards* and our instructors are precluded from doing any less, or anything more. It is so absolutely absurd that PADI will not allow their instructors to deviate from the course outline even if it is for aditional skills... If is is NOT in the PADI course the instructor is precluded from doing it...
The surprising thing to me is that while PADI has there fair share of good and well-intended DM's and Instructor's, we all know that they have there fari share of under qualified and poorly trained DM's and Instructors and as such calls into question the respectability of any PADI ranking... The membership needs to be more vocal because as is often the case acquiesence equates to acceptance...
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Posted by No Worries on October 18, 2000 at 14:15:31:
I've been diving since last June. So far I have ~35 dives, ~19 hours. 75% of my dives are night/solo (lobster hunting).
If this is a troll, it's NOT very funny in light of the recent solo fatality.
If it's not a troll you really need to look long and hard at what you are doing... Read the account of the fatality of Sunday. As I understand the facts, he had 10 years of experience, he was solo lobster diving and dies in less than 10' of water.
Why in the world with as little experience as you have would you think you have the necessary experience to do 75% of your diving at night, when solo????
To the other's on this list that like to glorify solo diving and provide * How to Lists* read this guys post and next time you want to argue about why we always say that when you slip in the term solo is OK if experienced, I'll take this post as an opportunity to remind you that by glorifying solo you are going to wind up with guys like this soloing..
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Posted by SLANG on October 27, 2000 at 14:33:03:
The thing is, I've never heard anyone say that Nitrox on the YUKON was a bad thing.
Generally the arguement is that the starting point is that Nitrox is voodoo gas or snake oil, whether it's on teh Yukon or not.. So I was trying to turn the table and point out that even if you have an anti-Nitrox view, the OxTox issue is substantially mitigated with respect to a dive with a hard bottom.. I used the Yukon as an example for a variety of reasons:
1) It's local;
2) Most diver's on this board can relate;
3) For the most part the Yukon and/or shops and boats servicing the Yukon have a pretty easy access to Nitrox;
4) It is the perfect dive to illustrate the benefits of Nitrox;
just to name few...
So my intention was to take a generic position that I disagree with and apply a specific local solution...
Later Posted by MHK on October 27, 2000 at 15:24:22:
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Posted by seahunt on October 27, 2000 at 16:06:53:
Since I tend to swim pretty
actively and solo,
ARRRRGGGHHHHH !!!!! Luckily it's late Friday and I'm worn out so I'll let this one go for now ;-)
Keep it safe everyone this weekend especially you solo guys....
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Posted by Frank, AADIVER, Farmer on October 30, 2000 at 08:22:36:
John, I understand having the octo right under my chin but not the reason for a long hose on my primary in restricted overhead (wreck?) environments.
Frank,
Those of us that dive with buddies recognize that while in an OE if you have an OOA scenario it is likely that both diver's will need to exit the OE. Often times that will require exiting through narrow passageways and/or restricted areas that only have enough room for one diver at a time. By using a 7' hose you allow ample room for the OOA diver to navigate the restriction to be followed by the donating diver. If you use a standard length hose you simply won't have enough room for both diver's to get through the restriction...
Later Posted by MHK on October 30, 2000 at 10:06:01:
Posted by Ken Kurtis on October 29, 2000 at 23:40:27:
To compute the actual theoretical safety margin, you'll have to figure it based on controlling tissue, tissue half-time, M-values, etc., etc. etc. And you'll also have to cover the debate on whether or not a diver at an NDL at 100' is at the same DCS risk as a diver at an NDL limit at 75'. Is saturated saturated and the risk the same?
Ken,
I've been trying hard not to get into too much of our private conversations to spill into this thread, but this one I needed to address.
You have the majority of the proper issued defined but my sense is you aren't understanding, or willing to accept, the conclusions. For example you are asking for * actual theoretical*, the oxymoron notwithstanding, you and I both know that ALL tables and computers are statistical probabilities of the Buhlman algorithm. And if memory serves me you even cover this in your dive briefing ( or atleast words to that effect ) and suggest that since they are probabilities your suggest conservatisim. ( FTR, I agree with the conservation recomendation ), but where I'm confused is if you acknowledge the statistical variance with respect to air tables, why are you asking us to prove with certainty the Nitrox model. I have no problem if you want to create a hypothetical dive profile and I'll compute all the M-values of each of the tissue compartments.. But you know as well as I do that there are other factors that are contributory for a bends hit, physical fitness, dehydration, obessity, exercision just to name a few..
But if you are willing to stipulate to all other factors being equal than it's clear the M-values will favor Nitrox and even more clear to teh extent that any of the above factors come into play.. Accordingly, if you take Oxygen Toxicity out of the equation ( which is mitigated substantially with respect to the Yukon ) there simply is NO arguement ( statistical or otherwise ) that you can credibliy advance and if you want you and I can do the numbers together and post the results..
Ken was a math major in college and is very good with numbers and should have no problem computing the algorithms..
I'm trying to stay out of this one, but I can't let statements like this go unchallenged..
Later
Posted by MHK on October 30, 2000 at 10:20:36:
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Posted by Frank, AADIVER, Farmer on October 30, 2000 at 10:42:18:
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Posted by MHK on October 30, 2000 at 11:01:58:
Posted by Frank, AADIVER, Farmer on October 30, 2000 at 10:42:18:
but isn't that akin to equiping ourselves with lightening rods in the event we get struck by lightening
Frank,
You must be trolling again.. Are you suggesting that we ( DIR or not ) should not prepare ourselves for an OOA emergency?? Particularly in OE and wrecks where any number of things could happen.. For example a rigged edge cutting a hose, lost line, entanglement, disorientation, etc..
This is fundemental OE training.. In your independent system of diving, which you do NOT receomend we do, how do you propose to exit an OE in the event of an OOA scenario and you happen upon another independent diver???
Trust me on this, I PROMISE not to copy your method but I just want to try to understand it....
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Posted by kelphead on November 02, 2000 at 12:32:03
and for the record, i own and have read the book
'solo diving' and nowhere in it does it describe
the type of "independent diving" that frank farmer
claims to use. so, to tie frank's style of
diving--whether it is safe or not--to another style
of diving--whether that one is safe or not--only
underscores the lack of factual knowledge that the
author of the above post has. if one wants to
argue using facts, then one needs to get the correct
info down
I suggest that you look at Frank's own words... He was the one that brought up independenta diving as it relates to the solo diving book. We kept asking and asking what the hell he was talking about and Frank said it was in the solo diving book, not us.. Sorry if you don't like the message on another board that has a different style but there isn't much I can do about that, but you have the facts wrong about me tying Frank to solo diving book, it was he who did that...
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Posted by kelphead on November 02, 2000 at 16:02:12:
my point was not to say that frank said this or
that or that frank didn't say this or that. my
point was that in the book 'solo diving' no
mention of "independent diving" is made.
Kelphead,
That is my very point and I'm done with this thread. Go back and read Franks words. We kept pushing and pushing to get him to discuss independent diving, he then refered us to the solo diving book and if it is as you say not mentioned in the book then I have no idea what Frank was talking about..
If guys want to talk diving I'm interested, if you guys want to keep up this non-diving related game of verbal gymnastics I'm done..
I stated that I could have handled it better, but I did what I did and it can't be undone. Either people will move on or they won't...
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Posted by tleemay on November 06, 2000 at 11:02:58:
A word of advice to those that get panicked - drop
your weights, your life isn't worth $30.
Terry,
Excellent point and I'm glad that you reminded me about this.. Many of us on this list have done our fair share of assists and/or rescues and no matter how many I do it always amazes me the level of value that some diver's place on a few dollars worth of lead.
In yesterday's example, as Terry mentioned, a diving team of 2 came up the wrong mooring line. They were diving from there own boat and came up the bow line, when they were tied into the stern. The seas were pretty choppy and rough and we had already finished our dive and were in dry clothes. We watched the team swim on the surface and I could see that they were struggling and out of habit I gave the OK sign and one of the buddies started waving at me pretty frantically so I grabed Terry fins that were right next to me and jumped in with shorts and T-shirt, as I got nearer to the diver's I began yelling to drop his weightbelt and his buddy said I got it.. So when I got to the 2 I asked what was going on and made sure his weightbelt was NOT on and his BC was fully inflated. I reached down and felt no weightbelt and put some air in the bc. I was told he was having trouble breathing. I tried to calm the guy down and asked a few questions of the buddy, most importantly, did they shoot to the surface. I was told that they did a slow, safe ascent complete with safety stop. The guy was late 40's, maybe early 50's so I of course ( in my mind only ) was thinking maybe heart attack. I calmed him down, unzipped his wetsuit and towed him back to his boat. As we approached the boat he was starting to calm down so I took off his BC and handed it ot the buddy who could'nt hold it because he had the paniced diver's weightbelt in his hand.... Fortunatley all worked out, but I still for the life of me can't understand why diver's are so reluctant to drop a weightbelt..
To all the guys on my team, if you ever need to ditch mine, don't worry I won't hold it against you, ditch the damn thing I can always get another one ;-)
Later Posted by Kendall Raine on November 06, 2000 at 12:03:35:
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Posted by kelphead on November 06, 2000 at 13:53:36:
in this
case--the 'uscg' thread--i was admittedly being
an ass to you. ie, i was trying to push your
buttons b/c i was getting upset at you--
Well let me clue you in on something... EINS has already responded in the past that he was trying to push buttons, you have now admitted to pushing buttons and it is clear that Frank is trying to push buttons, so what I don't understand is that you guys waste valuable time and resources *trying to push buttons* and then when you get a reaction all of a sudden it's an issue..
So let me clue you in even further, I don't have the time to waste on anybody pushing buttons.. It's as plain and simple as that.
For everyone else reading this thread in the future when you see me react to utter bullshit perhaps you'll understand...
Later Posted by MHK on November 06, 2000 at 14:46:59:
Posted by Frank on November 06, 2000 at 12:38:17:
Never having dove the Doria I can only assume that the viz can go to zero as with any wreck, deep or shallow. What procedures do they follow in that event?
As far as I can tell the procedure is to do a body search....
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Posted by Frank on November 06, 2000 at 16:30:44:
Posted by MHK on November 06, 2000 at 16:38:03:
Frank,
Just so you and I are very clear, and we can stop this victim notion, I wish you the best of luck in your recovery and my former girlfriend was 5 years sober and I saw day in and day out the struggle so I mean no harm or disrepect and I recognize the day to day struggle.. My comments from here on out speak to your diving and nothing else...
But you must be kidding me with your above comments:
Posted by Frank on November 06, 2000 at 16:30:44:
I have no intention of formally mentoring anyone. I meant that I'm now more willing to buddy dive with someone less experienced and perhaps share with him or her some of my 36 years of active diving experience, world-wide..
What the hell is the difference????????????
That's like saying that I don't want to teach somone how to drive a car but I want to sit next to them in the passenger seat and critique the experience... Talk about bullshit semantics, if I ever tried to pull this the whole list would be jumping up and down... Solo and independant are the same and mentoring and buddying with less experienced diver's to share your experiences are the same damn thing Frank so cut the crap....
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MHK wrote;
Posted by Frank on November 06, 2000 at 16:30:44:
I have no intention of formally mentoring anyone. I meant that I'm now more willing to buddy dive with someone less experienced and perhaps share with him or her some of my 36 years of active diving experience, world-wide..
What the hell is the difference????????????
Come on Mike! Where does Frank say he wants to teach someone to dive a certain way? I, for one, would love to hear stories about Scapa Flow or Great Lakes wrecks or even how he dived in the 60s. Does that mean I'll give up my iso manifold, seven foot primary, necklaced backup and reel and dive a single with a hundred hoses going in different directions? No. I'm comfortable diving the way I do, Frank is obviously comfortable with his gear and you prefer your configuration. Can't we all just get along?
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