Posted by reason on June 07, 2001 at 07:46:17:
heres a post that was on ba_diving yesterday. If your in the bay or north
you should join that bbs. we havent sen raiderkarl here for a while but
he is busy making a fool of him there. Here is some
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>God created women to be beautiful and smart, to watch over men, and
>watch out for them, when the men make mistakes.
>
>God created men to be strong and stupid, in order to give women
>something to work with.
>
>/s/ Karl S.
>NAUI OW1(U.S. Navy) / SSI AOW & Rescue / PADI D/M
>TDI is next
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:38:04 -0700
From: "Ian Puleston"
Subject: RE: re: monastery beach 12 month prerequisite
Listen to Jim - he's giving you good advice. Bragging about going really
deep on air with just a single tank and a pony might impress some people
below you on the "diving ladder", but if you listen to what those above you
on it say you'll realize that it has just the opposite effect on them.
Here's a quote (from memory - not word for word) from the new DSAT tech-deep
manual when they're defining what 'tech diving' means: "Would you call
bouncing very deep on a single tank with a short deco on the way back up
tech diving? We'd call it just plain stupid".
You said something earlier about doing deep dives to make the requirement
for the TDI extended range class. Why not look into going straight to their
trimix class - I believe that TDI no longer make deep air a prerequisite to
that.
Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Thompson []
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: raiderkarl@hotmail.com; ba_diving@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ba_diving] re: monastery beach 12 month prerequisite
>
>
> Ok Karl,
> I am sure that you missed something in your rescue class! Maybe
> two victims
> for the price of one?
>
> I have learned that I can perform an active rescue at a maximum depth
> of 173' on air. Monastery gets a whole lot deeper than that fast.
> There are people in your/Chuck's club who are
> definitely "anxious/dependent."
> Karl did you miss the part about evaluating your diver BEFORE they get in
> the water?
> They would very possibly go on one
> of your monastery dives, and require assistance, and expect to
> receive it.
>
> What? Suddenly you guys are swimming around at 173' on air.. What you the
> rescue diver, with a silly pony strapped to your side and you notice you
> need to perform a rescue? What are you going to do? Pull that
> panic'd diver
> up struggling and increasing your CO2 until your so Narc'd you know longer
> remember your name or better yet suffer black water black out?
> Your rescue scenarios are ridiculous! I know your going to tell me that
> this unqualified diver bolts for the depths and you race over swim down a
> pick the up... good reactive move to be sure. Why not be proactive and use
> proper diver control and surface evaluation?
> Moreover, once you see that look in their eyes, that pleading look,
> that betrayed look, that wide eyed look, what are you going to do
> about it? Watch?> I am good enough to know that 173' on AIR under adverse conditions is to
> much for me.
> Look most of diving is done on the surface under water all you do is
> breathe... You and I have several of the deep air, bad gear, poor attitude
> conversations-and I am not going to waist my time with you.
> How good are you really, Jim? And how do you know? I know how good
> I am. Not very good. Not good at all deeper than 173' on air.
>
> In closing, I have said my piece. I have tried to get you to take a class
> (NOT FROM ME and hopefully with someone with modern thinking) before you
> start dispensing more this dive hero stuff and even suggested that you
> contact Ian, Paul, Chuck, David and others that could point you in the
> correct direction but you don't listen..
> JT
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:45:59 -0000
From: raiderkarl@hotmail.com
Subject: double 100s
"Ian Puleston"
Wed Jun 6, 2001 11:38 pm
RE: [ba_diving] re: monastery beach 12 month prerequisite
[wrote:]
"Listen to Jim - he's giving you good advice. Bragging about going
really deep on air with just a single tank and a pony might impress
some people below you on the "diving ladder", but if you listen to
what those above you on it say you'll realize that it has just the
opposite effect on them.
Here's a quote (from memory - not word for word) from the new DSAT
tech-deep manual when they're defining what 'tech diving'
means: "Would you call bouncing very deep on a single tank with a
short deco on the way back up tech diving? We'd call it just plain
stupid".
You said something earlier about doing deep dives to make the
requirement for the TDI extended range class. Why not look into going
straight to their trimix class - I believe that TDI no longer make
deep air a prerequisite to that."
Ian, you are one of my favorite people here, although it is sometimes
difficult for me to understand your heavy British accent. And you
spell weird too sometimes.
Next time I go deep, I will have my double 100s on. That way, at
least Chuck will be happy, who is noticeably my second favorite
person here, even though he went to Stanford, and my two favorite
teams are Cal and any team playing against Stanford in any sport.
Cheers! Cheerio!! (did you understand all that?)
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This is personal favorit.
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:42:34 -0700
From: "Jim Thompson SW"
Subject: RE: OW1 classes at Monastery
Karl,
I would suggest that nearly everything you have posted above-water is scary;
The things that you brag about under-water are down right dangerous.
You are lucky that people have taken the time to try to get you to see the
light. Ian is a instructor and a guy that loves to do some tech type stuff,
Chuck knows as much about Monterey as anyone and has offered you a helping
hand, there is a host of others that I unfortunately left out but are great
sources for knowledge for diving deep. It appears that you have not
contacted them. Maybe JJ or GI George Irvine can help try www.gue.com .
As a PADI divemaster you might be surprised to know that you #1
responsibility is NOT to the instructor but to the safety of the divers that
you are supervising then to the agencies standards. To this point you are
doing a poor job.
Instruction or trial by fire is a serious accusation. I am sure that the
instructors that go to Monastery with the OW classes are professional and
safety conscious. I'm sure they are motivated to give a fun, safe and
interesting experience to their students; not to see which ones survive.
BTW - many on this list are very experienced divers and some of the
instructors carry multiple instructor ratings PADI/NAUI/SSI/SDI/TDI/INTD etc
and do not make it a habit of tagging their emails. You seem to allude to
issues about the big differences in the agencies in many emails. You might
be surprised to no that there is less difference than you think.
As a Professional diver are you aware of the set of standards that most of
the agencies agree to meet or exceed? Are you aware of the role that you
should be playing? Are you aware of anything?
JT
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good stuff. just though peeple here might be entertained by this. i
think its funny as all get out.
reason