Posted by seahunt on June 22, 2006 at 21:49:15:|
In Reply to: A few thoughts for the dive community to consider posted by MHK on June 21, 2006 at 23:22:19:
Well seriously folks, the sun rises in the east. If I don't respond, it could show up in the West one morning. Michael is asking for a reality check. ... I'm OK with that. It seems like one heck of an issue. We've been over it before. it's not simple. Lets see if I can do better than I have before. I've thought about it a lot and looking at the points made already, I think I can bring up the important points and give my take. I've argued this before, but the arguement is a bit different now than just calling it recreational diving. This is a bit deeper.
Down below, I put the various arguements I wanted to consider, but my view I'll try to put here. I thought about it. Most things people say are true, but I think I am in Elaine's position. I'm a sport diver. I generally restrict myself to 130 feet because it is called the sport limit. I know it is arbitrary, especially when solo diving. The only valid arguement I see relevant to this in terms of depth is narcotic effect. The rest of the issues are not really about depth. You don't need depth for them to be issues. We rely on our equipment not to fail.
Michael asks a valid question, but perhaps it should be phrased as can an advanced recreational diver do occasional deep dives safely enough or can only tech divers make deep dives. Safety is a relitive thing. I'm not willing to skip a place like Osborne or Moody just because it is past rec limits. That does not necessarily mean it is not a safe dive. I've gone there before and I don't think it was thet relitively much more dangerous than an 80 foot dive. If it is raising the hazard by 10%, that's really not much and I rely on the odds not catching up with me on an occasional deep dive the same as I do on a mid depth dive. Life is dangerous. Choose your dangers with knowledge.
Roger asks how much, or how quickly, can you push your skill level on your own, without training. I like it better that way, but that's just me. I'm a skilled diver and learned most of it on my own.
Clinton mentions "such as no deep air".
Ken mentions "Divers are dodging bullets" That one is interesting. In a way it is true. Often, if anything goes wrong with your gear and you are dead. This can especially be the case with solo diving. The reality is that we depend on our gear and it rarely fails.
Ken mentions "risks that I choose personally not to take".
Someone mentioned complacency. I don't think that is a problem. This is an unusual dive and the divers were not complacent.
Lets see if I can do it simply this time. You ask a question Michael. Let me see if I can answer it. I think it is what Elaine would say if she had thought about it long enough.
Still I dove Gordo Banks at 165 and 140 max depths as well as a variety of other deep spots intentional and inadvertant. I know about impairment. I know the overwhelming factor of cold at depth. As a recreational diver, I am familiar with conditions beyond recreational diving.
seahunt mentions "I can still sense the madness out there".
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