Posted by kelphead on November 02, 2000 at 16:02:12:
In Reply to: Re: wow... posted by MHK on November 02, 2000 at 14:20:42:
"...and for the record, i own and have read the book
'solo diving' and nowhere in it does it describe
the type of "independent diving" that frank farmer
claims to use. so, to tie frank's style of
diving--whether it is safe or not--to another style
of diving--whether that one is safe or not--only
underscores the lack of factual knowledge that the
author of the above post has. if one wants to
argue using facts, then one needs to get the correct
info down..."
i did not say anything contradictory or incorrect
in my above quote. please point out to me where
i defended or even mentioned frank's citation of
the book 'solo diving' for his "independent" style of diving?
my point was not to say that frank said this or
that or that frank didn't say this or that. my
point was that in the book 'solo diving' no
mention of "independent diving" is made.
"independent diving" as i understand frank farmer
to have defined it is when a diver goes in the
water w/o a preplanned exclusive buddy and to instead
dive near a group of other divers, while maintaining
self sufficiency.
nowhere in the book 'solo diving' is this type
of diving mentioned.
i could care less if frank cited that book to
defend his style of diving or not, my point was
that anyone who read and understood the message of the book
'solo diving' would also understand that the
book really honestly has nothing to do w/frank
farmer's style of diving or any possible citations
he may have erroneously made linking his "independent
diving" to 'solo diving'.
in fact, i have read the complete opposite by frank
farmer: he claims to not dive 'solo'. then
we are back at semantics and defn's, etc.
but, to reiterate, anyone who knows anything about
the book 'solo diving' would never have made the
mistake of linking its message to frank farmer's
self-styled "independent diving". that person also
would never have had to waste their time allegedly
making a phone call to the book's publishing company
to verify if their book has anything to do w/frank's
claims about "independent diving". hence, i called
anyone who would do such a thing lacking in facts
(or ignorant).
one can't have it both ways: one can't claim
to use the facts and then turn around and misuse
them when it's convenient to do so. again, i don't really
care if frank farmer cited the book 'solo diving'
to try to justify his self-styled "independent
diving", but i do care when someone ignorantly
tries to misrepresent this book (or any other,
for that matter) all in the name of presenting
facts and all just to try to win an argument.
sorry, mike, but you still lose on this ground:
"I suggest that you look at Frank's own words... He was the one that brought up independenta diving as it relates to the solo
diving book. We kept asking and asking what the hell he was talking about and Frank said it was in the solo diving book, not
us.."
instead, what you should've done to win a point
in this argument was to point out to frank that
the book he supposedly cited for his "independent
diving" did not include the info he may have
claimed to present and you should have 'stuck
it to him' by telling him that he obviously missed
the boat re:the message of the book 'solo diving'
and how it truly does not relate to his "independent diving".
you should have told him what i'm telling you, but
you apparently didn't b/c you lacked some knowledge
about the subject matter (ie, the book in question).
[[as a sidenote, i don't remember frank citing
the book 'solo diving' to justify his style of
"independent diving", but i may have understandably
missed that post/thread as i don't read every
argument/debate on this board--it gets nauseating
after a while and nothing actually comes of all
the rehash. so, if frank farmer did make the
claim that his "independent diving" had something
to do w/the book 'solo diving' then i'm sorry
i missed that erroneous post. but you still
should have known better.]]
kelphead.